1 00:00:08,179 --> 00:00:05,860 [Music] 2 00:00:10,339 --> 00:00:08,189 listening to the entrance show in Jim 3 00:00:11,350 --> 00:00:10,349 Breslow find us at hidden truths 4 00:00:13,820 --> 00:00:11,360 show.com 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:13,830 follow us on Facebook Twitter and 6 00:00:19,130 --> 00:00:16,170 Instagram that he hid intrudes show 7 00:00:22,099 --> 00:00:19,140 watch our YouTube channel he didn't read 8 00:00:23,689 --> 00:00:22,109 show please subscribe rate and review us 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:23,699 on your podcast down 10 00:00:29,300 --> 00:00:27,570 here's Breslow welcome back to the 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:29,310 hidden truth show today we have a 12 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:32,610 special Academy Awards episode last 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:35,070 Sunday the South Korean movie parasite 14 00:00:40,310 --> 00:00:38,250 in a big upset the somehow surpassed the 15 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:40,320 eight other nominees to become the first 16 00:00:44,350 --> 00:00:42,719 ever foreign language film to win the 17 00:00:47,209 --> 00:00:44,360 Oscar for Best Picture 18 00:00:49,369 --> 00:00:47,219 it is a mildly humorous film which turns 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:49,379 very dark by the end it involves a 20 00:00:53,660 --> 00:00:51,570 desperately poor family which conniving 21 00:00:55,670 --> 00:00:53,670 Lee manages to obtain work from a 22 00:00:58,099 --> 00:00:55,680 wealthy family and then takes advantage 23 00:01:00,229 --> 00:00:58,109 of that relationship to say the least it 24 00:01:03,410 --> 00:01:00,239 certainly depicts the struggles of the 25 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:03,420 poor but what the message is if there is 26 00:01:08,990 --> 00:01:05,970 one at all is muddled to say the least 27 00:01:10,940 --> 00:01:09,000 is this just the latest example of 28 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:10,950 Hollywood being out of touch with most 29 00:01:15,230 --> 00:01:13,170 of America proving how liberal and 30 00:01:17,539 --> 00:01:15,240 open-minded it can be by rewarding a 31 00:01:21,410 --> 00:01:17,549 foreign film about poverty and response 32 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:21,420 to Trump's America first policy to talk 33 00:01:26,899 --> 00:01:23,130 about it we turn to a true international 34 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:26,909 film expert Michael Kusa kutxa founded 35 00:01:31,670 --> 00:01:28,650 the Chicago International Film Festival 36 00:01:33,170 --> 00:01:31,680 in 1964 it continues today as one of the 37 00:01:34,219 --> 00:01:33,180 oldest and most prestigious film 38 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:34,229 festivals in the world 39 00:01:39,590 --> 00:01:37,650 Kuta is a much celebrated film expert he 40 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:39,600 has received awards from the can in 41 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:41,490 venice film festivals as well as the 42 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:43,890 city of Chicago's 30th anniversary award 43 00:01:48,399 --> 00:01:46,350 and the Chicago Sun Times award for 44 00:01:51,350 --> 00:01:48,409 exceptional contribution to Chicago 45 00:01:54,050 --> 00:01:51,360 Chicago magazine included Kusa in their 46 00:01:56,270 --> 00:01:54,060 list of the top 40 Chicago visionaries 47 00:01:59,780 --> 00:01:56,280 alongside of Oprah Winfrey Barack Obama 48 00:02:00,800 --> 00:01:59,790 and Roger Ebert before we get to the 49 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:00,810 interview I want to invite you to 50 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:02,969 support the show by becoming a truther 51 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:05,610 for just $5 a month you can join us and 52 00:02:10,669 --> 00:02:07,200 receive access to special episodes 53 00:02:12,860 --> 00:02:10,679 receive personal emails from me email 54 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:12,870 access to me and receive an embroidered 55 00:02:16,110 --> 00:02:13,690 hidden truth 56 00:02:18,630 --> 00:02:16,120 baseball cap in addition you get the 57 00:02:20,220 --> 00:02:18,640 great feeling of supporting independent 58 00:02:22,830 --> 00:02:20,230 journalism which is so important today 59 00:02:25,530 --> 00:02:22,840 in the age of the biased mainstream 60 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:25,540 media and Silicon Valley executives 61 00:02:31,980 --> 00:02:29,260 regulating speech we need your help go 62 00:02:33,990 --> 00:02:31,990 to patreon.com/scishow that's 63 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:34,000 patreon.com forward slash hidden truth 64 00:02:39,630 --> 00:02:36,370 show to become a truther and we thank 65 00:02:41,340 --> 00:02:39,640 everybody who has already joined up and 66 00:02:43,380 --> 00:02:41,350 supported the show by becoming a truther 67 00:02:45,750 --> 00:02:43,390 okay now for our interview with 68 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:45,760 international film expert michael kusa 69 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:47,530 you're the perfect person to be 70 00:02:53,490 --> 00:02:50,650 discussing parasite with because of your 71 00:02:55,860 --> 00:02:53,500 expertise and long-standing experience 72 00:02:59,870 --> 00:02:55,870 with international films so I got assume 73 00:03:03,330 --> 00:02:59,880 that you were celebrating when it won 74 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:03,340 frankly I was more surprised because of 75 00:03:08,310 --> 00:03:05,710 the old traditions of the Academy and 76 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:08,320 you know the way they just year after 77 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:10,690 year followed the tradition of that 78 00:03:15,030 --> 00:03:13,090 let's have a film it relates either to 79 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:15,040 Hollywood or to some the sensibility of 80 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:17,890 our older older members of the Academy I 81 00:03:23,220 --> 00:03:21,489 was actually quite surprised but then 82 00:03:25,590 --> 00:03:23,230 again nothing surprises me with the with 83 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:25,600 the Netflix of the world and the power 84 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:27,250 and the publicity and the money that 85 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:28,690 people have been pouring into these 86 00:03:34,770 --> 00:03:31,690 these campaigns and boy do we see that 87 00:03:36,449 --> 00:03:34,780 like you know I don't know if the rest 88 00:03:39,540 --> 00:03:36,459 of the country sees it quite like we see 89 00:03:43,710 --> 00:03:39,550 it here in Los Angeles but no I don't 90 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:43,720 think no it yeah that is something no 91 00:03:48,330 --> 00:03:45,850 one sees the billboards that Sunset 92 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:48,340 Boulevard you know yeah well it's you 93 00:03:52,650 --> 00:03:50,170 know we've always had the the billboards 94 00:03:55,140 --> 00:03:52,660 advertising latest movies here but 95 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:55,150 starting a few years ago we started 96 00:04:00,990 --> 00:03:57,850 seeing huge money huge money being 97 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:01,000 poured into promoting the various films 98 00:04:04,530 --> 00:04:03,489 for awards you might be aware that the 99 00:04:07,890 --> 00:04:04,540 LA Times 100 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:07,900 money off it's probably the only reason 101 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:10,570 LA Times is still around is they have a 102 00:04:15,990 --> 00:04:13,209 new section called the envelope and the 103 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:16,000 envelope is solely dedicated to awards 104 00:04:21,779 --> 00:04:19,269 and it used to come out once or twice 105 00:04:25,230 --> 00:04:21,789 before the Oscars and now it's pretty 106 00:04:27,470 --> 00:04:25,240 much year round this envelope section in 107 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:27,480 the newspaper that's kind of one 108 00:04:32,180 --> 00:04:29,610 a week during the offseason and then it 109 00:04:34,430 --> 00:04:32,190 gets up to almost daily as you get into 110 00:04:35,980 --> 00:04:34,440 the season and you know there's real 111 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:35,990 articles in there but it's mostly 112 00:04:40,910 --> 00:04:39,210 advertisements all the kinds of kind of 113 00:04:42,530 --> 00:04:40,920 stuff that I read like variety and 114 00:04:44,900 --> 00:04:42,540 Hollywood Reporter because they are the 115 00:04:48,590 --> 00:04:44,910 same thing page after page after page of 116 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:48,600 promoting whatever was Roma last year or 117 00:04:54,410 --> 00:04:51,930 a parasite or Irishman or you know it's 118 00:04:56,620 --> 00:04:54,420 what that's what I figured keeps variety 119 00:05:00,860 --> 00:04:56,630 and Hollywood Reporter alive as well as 120 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:00,870 those color you know incredible ads well 121 00:05:06,020 --> 00:05:03,690 the weird the win for parasite you could 122 00:05:08,330 --> 00:05:06,030 probably put a number on that and the 123 00:05:12,290 --> 00:05:08,340 numbers got to be at least fifty million 124 00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:12,300 dollars probably you know you know 125 00:05:17,300 --> 00:05:15,360 parasite was distributed by a brand new 126 00:05:20,270 --> 00:05:17,310 company and they're showing what they 127 00:05:21,950 --> 00:05:20,280 can do to code neon and it's a gentleman 128 00:05:24,170 --> 00:05:21,960 Tom Quinn who used to work for Harvey 129 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:24,180 Weinstein years ago and did so many 130 00:05:28,610 --> 00:05:26,730 sections of the Weinstein Empire some 131 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:28,620 wise then ended up on documentaries and 132 00:05:32,450 --> 00:05:30,570 then started his own company and this 133 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:32,460 year it's called neon if the guy's a 134 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:35,010 terrific guy and this parasite is his 135 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:37,410 baby it's a it's the second film he's 136 00:05:41,750 --> 00:05:38,970 ever started promote and I think he's 137 00:05:43,910 --> 00:05:41,760 showing what he can do yeah so did not 138 00:05:46,730 --> 00:05:43,920 actually produce neon actually produce 139 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:46,740 now show the movie just remember they 140 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:49,560 are distributing it and that they've 141 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:52,320 done the campaign but you know I mean as 142 00:05:57,230 --> 00:05:54,990 much as I like parasites and directors 143 00:05:58,700 --> 00:05:57,240 previous Salmonella I don't consider the 144 00:06:03,940 --> 00:05:58,710 best summer year and I can't imagine 145 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:03,950 people truly truly enjoying it because 146 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:05,940 you're gonna tell me the people in 147 00:06:09,530 --> 00:06:08,310 Kansas or Mid America are really once 148 00:06:11,660 --> 00:06:09,540 they sit through this so I couldn't 149 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:11,670 really go home and say hey let's take 150 00:06:15,650 --> 00:06:14,310 the kids next time I don't think so well 151 00:06:17,060 --> 00:06:15,660 let me tell you my little my little 152 00:06:18,410 --> 00:06:17,070 thoughts on parasite and then we'll dig 153 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:18,420 into it a little bit cuz I think it is a 154 00:06:25,340 --> 00:06:20,250 really interesting thing to discuss for 155 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:25,350 on multiple levels III saw the movie and 156 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:29,130 I saw all of the Best Picture nominees 157 00:06:33,530 --> 00:06:31,290 and after I saw the movie I thought oh I 158 00:06:34,820 --> 00:06:33,540 thought it was good not great and I edit 159 00:06:37,370 --> 00:06:34,830 and we'll get into the details of that 160 00:06:41,420 --> 00:06:37,380 but I was thinking I was thinking you 161 00:06:43,460 --> 00:06:41,430 know just reading the tea leaves of of 162 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:43,470 Hollywood in the mindset and the 163 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:46,770 anti-trump sentiment etc I thought this 164 00:06:51,950 --> 00:06:49,290 is the year that they're gonna reward an 165 00:06:55,430 --> 00:06:51,960 international movie to show how you know 166 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:55,440 truly open-minded they are etc and so I 167 00:07:00,770 --> 00:06:57,690 came out of Paris I think yep it's gonna 168 00:07:02,780 --> 00:07:00,780 win and it was I I like to gamble 169 00:07:06,110 --> 00:07:02,790 occasionally and it was a three to one 170 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:06,120 underdogs you did well 171 00:07:09,890 --> 00:07:08,490 so let me I'll finish the story so so I 172 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:09,900 check it in it's a three to one underdog 173 00:07:15,410 --> 00:07:12,810 it was the the second favorite to 1917 174 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:15,420 so then before I place my bet 175 00:07:22,580 --> 00:07:19,290 I see 1917 which is I thought just 176 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:22,590 absolutely incredible spectacular etc 177 00:07:26,990 --> 00:07:24,290 and I walked out I think thinking 178 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:27,000 there's no way parasite is gonna be able 179 00:07:31,730 --> 00:07:29,520 to beat this movie so I changed my mind 180 00:07:34,010 --> 00:07:31,740 instead of betting on parasite which is 181 00:07:36,230 --> 00:07:34,020 what my gut told me to do after seeing 182 00:07:39,020 --> 00:07:36,240 1917 as it no way it's gonna lose so I 183 00:07:42,860 --> 00:07:39,030 had to lay 250 to win a hundred because 184 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:42,870 it was such a favorite on 1917 and of 185 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:47,010 course I lost so but but but do you 186 00:07:50,780 --> 00:07:49,050 agree with my it sounds like you agree 187 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:50,790 is my sentiment that you know parasite 188 00:07:55,940 --> 00:07:53,910 was good not great and it we and it 189 00:07:59,180 --> 00:07:55,950 really demonstrates that the Academy was 190 00:08:01,690 --> 00:07:59,190 trying to send a message well you know I 191 00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:01,700 gotta tell you my favorite films 192 00:08:06,020 --> 00:08:03,660 obviously we're not gonna agree on films 193 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:06,030 but it's a subjective thing I I was head 194 00:08:09,740 --> 00:08:08,490 over heels and Tarantino I like I'm very 195 00:08:11,510 --> 00:08:09,750 nostalgic about Hollywood 196 00:08:14,090 --> 00:08:11,520 I like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood I 197 00:08:17,060 --> 00:08:14,100 like married stories I like I like a 198 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:17,070 substantive subset of film I say 1917 199 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:19,890 was totally empty and meaningless and 200 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:22,050 just a technological beautiful looking 201 00:08:25,940 --> 00:08:24,330 to get together see the big screen I was 202 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:25,950 afraid of its gonna win because that was 203 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:28,050 that once again the tradition of the old 204 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:29,490 Academy 205 00:08:33,260 --> 00:08:32,010 parasite I'm rather shocked that it is 206 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:33,270 the best film of the year because it 207 00:08:42,740 --> 00:08:40,290 isn't it isn't however I enjoyed I enjoy 208 00:08:44,090 --> 00:08:42,750 the guy the guys filmed his previous if 209 00:08:48,770 --> 00:08:44,100 you've never seen other thing that's 210 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:48,780 called um snowpiercer it was called in 211 00:08:53,270 --> 00:08:50,850 English made a lot of money it's begun 212 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:53,280 with the cult film and it it's about a 213 00:08:57,259 --> 00:08:55,290 train 214 00:08:59,749 --> 00:08:57,269 that has all of humanity at it so you 215 00:09:01,340 --> 00:08:59,759 have the lowest class at the end the 216 00:09:03,410 --> 00:09:01,350 middle class and the upper class and 217 00:09:06,379 --> 00:09:03,420 everyone that's left in the world is on 218 00:09:09,050 --> 00:09:06,389 this train racing endlessly perpetual 219 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:09,060 motion into the snow and I it's a 220 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:11,730 thrilling thrilling film and in English 221 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:14,130 and it's the predecessor of parasite I 222 00:09:17,629 --> 00:09:16,050 could see okay the Kettering people they 223 00:09:19,819 --> 00:09:17,639 know this man because he's very 224 00:09:22,550 --> 00:09:19,829 successful before like they knew Roma 225 00:09:24,110 --> 00:09:22,560 did you follow the whole Roma nonsense 226 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:24,120 last year I mean they spent a hundred 227 00:09:28,550 --> 00:09:26,130 million dollars on publicity for Roma 228 00:09:29,990 --> 00:09:28,560 the Mexican film they did get best 229 00:09:32,059 --> 00:09:30,000 director of it but they wanted a Best 230 00:09:35,210 --> 00:09:32,069 Picture that's a Netflix job 231 00:09:38,090 --> 00:09:35,220 it didn't get it but Academy is familiar 232 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:38,100 with the foreign director the Mexican 233 00:09:43,610 --> 00:09:39,569 director they're familiar with this long 234 00:09:45,319 --> 00:09:43,620 John Howe but I'm still shocked that a 235 00:09:47,210 --> 00:09:45,329 won best film because it isn't the best 236 00:09:50,269 --> 00:09:47,220 on it's certainly not a crossover films 237 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:50,279 for the majority of audiences that are 238 00:09:54,620 --> 00:09:52,170 think are going to leave going to leave 239 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:54,630 it being rather annoyed by it turning 240 00:09:59,120 --> 00:09:56,370 into a horror film a lot of people don't 241 00:10:02,600 --> 00:09:59,130 like horror films and you walked into a 242 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:02,610 nice friendly family comedy that gets 243 00:10:07,819 --> 00:10:05,730 dark and very dark that's just my 244 00:10:10,939 --> 00:10:07,829 feeling is I think audiences will be 245 00:10:14,809 --> 00:10:10,949 quite annoyed I mean yeah I kind of put 246 00:10:16,790 --> 00:10:14,819 it in the I kind of liken dit to sort of 247 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:16,800 a Twilight Zone type of movie I kind of 248 00:10:19,059 --> 00:10:18,569 like in to get out which actually I 249 00:10:22,730 --> 00:10:19,069 loved 250 00:10:24,530 --> 00:10:22,740 get out here but you know something that 251 00:10:27,319 --> 00:10:24,540 just kind of goes in some really strange 252 00:10:30,050 --> 00:10:27,329 directions that you did not anticipate I 253 00:10:33,790 --> 00:10:30,060 thought that Hollywood would probably 254 00:10:36,710 --> 00:10:33,800 really embrace the class element of it 255 00:10:39,410 --> 00:10:36,720 because they love to bemoan the one 256 00:10:42,740 --> 00:10:39,420 percent so this was this was the one 257 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:42,750 percent versus the 99 percent which gets 258 00:10:45,230 --> 00:10:44,010 into the substance of the movie a little 259 00:10:48,949 --> 00:10:45,240 bit which I wanted to ask you your 260 00:10:51,740 --> 00:10:48,959 thoughts about that you know I've seen 261 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:51,750 people try to analyze this film and 262 00:10:58,370 --> 00:10:54,930 they've talked about how oh these 263 00:11:01,699 --> 00:10:58,380 elitist one-percenters all they care 264 00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:01,709 about is their party in their cowboys 265 00:11:07,309 --> 00:11:05,040 and Indians and here's this poor family 266 00:11:08,970 --> 00:11:07,319 struggling you know losing their home 267 00:11:13,110 --> 00:11:08,980 barely able to put food on the table 268 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:13,120 and all this elitist family can is 269 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:16,690 worried about is their next party and so 270 00:11:22,650 --> 00:11:20,770 yes you get to get to the point midway 271 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:22,660 in the film but really it was such a 272 00:11:27,870 --> 00:11:26,530 naive family the wife is the only one 273 00:11:29,580 --> 00:11:27,880 that was I think worried about parties 274 00:11:33,020 --> 00:11:29,590 and I heard her this and that the rest 275 00:11:36,450 --> 00:11:33,030 seem to be a naive husband and a 276 00:11:36,810 --> 00:11:36,460 pleasant family a credible house by the 277 00:11:40,140 --> 00:11:36,820 way 278 00:11:46,710 --> 00:11:40,150 I'd like to live in that house not bad I 279 00:11:48,270 --> 00:11:46,720 don't find one limit in Korea but that 280 00:11:52,530 --> 00:11:48,280 look like Beverly Hills to me I don't 281 00:11:54,420 --> 00:11:52,540 know now but I did you did you like 282 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:54,430 what's fun time I love it I've seen it a 283 00:11:59,790 --> 00:11:56,350 couple of times that's my kind of film 284 00:12:03,150 --> 00:11:59,800 the old old Hollywood I love Tarantino I 285 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:03,160 loved that movie the ending of it I was 286 00:12:09,810 --> 00:12:06,850 not super fond of because I just thought 287 00:12:12,090 --> 00:12:09,820 that it was trivializing a little bit 288 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:12,100 what happened I know some people had the 289 00:12:15,270 --> 00:12:13,930 exact opposite reaction that you know 290 00:12:21,660 --> 00:12:15,280 hey this is great he's rewriting history 291 00:12:25,050 --> 00:12:21,670 and and writing out these Manson people 292 00:12:27,330 --> 00:12:25,060 but for me is like wow like the it's 293 00:12:30,450 --> 00:12:27,340 kind of make light a little bit of these 294 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:30,460 very very serious murder so and it got 295 00:12:36,060 --> 00:12:33,370 crazy violence which Tarantino loves and 296 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:36,070 I don't particularly love so anyway I'll 297 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:37,600 just say I love the movie into the last 298 00:12:45,780 --> 00:12:42,570 10 minutes but you like the violence in 299 00:12:49,830 --> 00:12:45,790 interest no I don't like it 300 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:49,840 my god you know I I hate I hate the 301 00:12:54,180 --> 00:12:52,330 extreme violence that they have now and 302 00:12:55,380 --> 00:12:54,190 I'm no you know goody-goody when it 303 00:12:57,870 --> 00:12:55,390 comes to that kind of stuff it's just 304 00:13:03,000 --> 00:12:57,880 like for me personally seeing someone 305 00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:03,010 plunge a large knife into someone else I 306 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:05,040 can't watch that and I know some people 307 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:06,970 can and I guess those are the type of 308 00:13:10,110 --> 00:13:08,170 people that are that are you know 309 00:13:12,570 --> 00:13:10,120 doctors are more indifferent to you know 310 00:13:15,510 --> 00:13:12,580 that type of stuff but for me it's just 311 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:15,520 not enjoyable at all to see that yet 312 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:16,810 there's certain directors you know like 313 00:13:22,860 --> 00:13:19,330 you're Scorsese's and so on who loved 314 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:22,870 acting graphic violence I 315 00:13:28,470 --> 00:13:25,170 a lot of these superhero movies have 316 00:13:30,420 --> 00:13:28,480 tons of graphics I'm not yeah I'm not 317 00:13:32,820 --> 00:13:30,430 I'm not a fan I'm not I'm not a super 318 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:32,830 I'm not a Marvel fan all of that but 319 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:34,210 Stephen Scorsese how'd you like the 320 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:36,970 Irishman I thought it was a es overly 321 00:13:41,190 --> 00:13:38,770 long but a brilliant wrap up of his 322 00:13:46,380 --> 00:13:41,200 career and those films of his genre I 323 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:46,390 mean so I love I love casino and I love 324 00:13:50,730 --> 00:13:48,010 Goodfellas I loved almost everything 325 00:13:53,430 --> 00:13:50,740 that he's done that one was not as 326 00:13:55,590 --> 00:13:53,440 entertaining as his other ones 327 00:13:59,070 --> 00:13:55,600 the Irishman was not as entertaining I 328 00:14:00,210 --> 00:13:59,080 don't think I agree I agree but it is 329 00:14:02,730 --> 00:14:00,220 what the length 330 00:14:06,090 --> 00:14:02,740 yeah and 45 minutes too long I I didn't 331 00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:06,100 understand the need to show him getting 332 00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:07,920 old 333 00:14:16,050 --> 00:14:13,270 Sheeran the DeNiro character yeah yeah 334 00:14:17,790 --> 00:14:16,060 what was the point of showing for 45 335 00:14:19,769 --> 00:14:17,800 minutes showing him get old I mean 336 00:14:23,610 --> 00:14:19,779 everybody gets old so that's not unique 337 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:23,620 to mobsters so I wasn't quite getting 338 00:14:30,030 --> 00:14:26,890 that you know it was interesting about 339 00:14:32,610 --> 00:14:30,040 film criticism today yeah when they when 340 00:14:34,460 --> 00:14:32,620 the critics around the world reviewed an 341 00:14:38,510 --> 00:14:34,470 Irishman all they talked about was this 342 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:38,520 anti-aging technology when they reviewed 343 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:41,050 1970 all they talked about was this 344 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:43,690 camera work or maybe one continuous shot 345 00:14:48,570 --> 00:14:46,690 no one's really talking about what the 346 00:14:49,410 --> 00:14:48,580 film and the feeling and the acting is 347 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:49,420 all about we're talking about the 348 00:14:53,519 --> 00:14:51,730 technology today I think that's happened 349 00:14:56,690 --> 00:14:53,529 a lot with these Marvel films and this 350 00:15:00,630 --> 00:14:56,700 this stuff special effects Department 351 00:15:03,329 --> 00:15:00,640 mm-hmm like marriage story I was blown 352 00:15:05,390 --> 00:15:03,339 away by a simple simple tale of divorce 353 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:05,400 I really love that movie 354 00:15:11,100 --> 00:15:08,890 yeah we sure know it's not the best 355 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:11,110 50-year but but what great performances 356 00:15:15,780 --> 00:15:13,930 my goodness what a story what a story 357 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:15,790 yeah that could only have been written 358 00:15:19,290 --> 00:15:17,260 by someone who had some personal 359 00:15:23,130 --> 00:15:19,300 experience which I understand that that 360 00:15:26,460 --> 00:15:23,140 he did I gotten I just got married four 361 00:15:28,769 --> 00:15:26,470 months ago and unfortunately I saw him 362 00:15:34,650 --> 00:15:28,779 for the first time well second time 363 00:15:36,020 --> 00:15:34,660 second time I parts of it were familiar 364 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:36,030 to me 365 00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:38,490 and then and then I saw it a month after 366 00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:40,560 my I just got remarried four months ago 367 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:42,660 and I'm thinking damn I should have seen 368 00:15:48,500 --> 00:15:45,570 this movie before I have a feeling that 369 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:48,510 it's a great sequel but what what 370 00:15:52,730 --> 00:15:50,160 surprised me is that I'm totally a 371 00:15:54,410 --> 00:15:52,740 novice honest I didn't know that lawyers 372 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:54,420 were costing six hundred eighty dollars 373 00:15:58,760 --> 00:15:56,250 an hour or more that's that blew me away 374 00:16:01,490 --> 00:15:58,770 when when when the young lady hires a 375 00:16:02,930 --> 00:16:01,500 lawyer in LA at that price and I guess 376 00:16:04,610 --> 00:16:02,940 it's quite common I mean you're a lawyer 377 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:04,620 what if was a lawyers cost today per 378 00:16:10,940 --> 00:16:06,690 hour my goodness at the big law firms 379 00:16:13,850 --> 00:16:10,950 over over a thousand dollars an hour is 380 00:16:17,270 --> 00:16:13,860 very common over a thousand dollars an 381 00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:17,280 hour so yeah a divorce is just ugly 382 00:16:22,490 --> 00:16:19,680 fortunately I have I didn't have a child 383 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:22,500 so that made it a lot simpler it was 384 00:16:28,820 --> 00:16:25,730 only about money but when you combine 385 00:16:32,390 --> 00:16:28,830 children with with having to decide 386 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:32,400 custody as well as aside money and I've 387 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:33,810 seen this again and again with with 388 00:16:38,180 --> 00:16:35,610 friends and so on it almost becomes 389 00:16:40,370 --> 00:16:38,190 impossible for them it not to be money 390 00:16:42,170 --> 00:16:40,380 for children because you're negotiating 391 00:16:45,620 --> 00:16:42,180 one thing over here and the other thing 392 00:16:47,330 --> 00:16:45,630 over here but oftentimes you're trying 393 00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:47,340 to leverage the money for the child or 394 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:48,720 trying to leverage the child for the 395 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:51,330 money and it's really disgusting but 396 00:16:55,700 --> 00:16:53,850 it's just very real it's just it's 397 00:16:57,770 --> 00:16:55,710 inevitable because you've got lawyers 398 00:17:03,410 --> 00:16:57,780 deciding these two things at the same 399 00:17:06,170 --> 00:17:03,420 time and yeah I like the New York lawyer 400 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:06,180 as opposed to the LA lawyer now but 401 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:07,970 speaking of the Oscars the thing that 402 00:17:12,950 --> 00:17:11,490 annoyed me first what somehow and I 403 00:17:14,930 --> 00:17:12,960 don't see if you ever happening in my 404 00:17:18,170 --> 00:17:14,940 little class time changing the format of 405 00:17:19,910 --> 00:17:18,180 that same show the same show every year 406 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:19,920 I know how your producer whether you 407 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:22,170 make it a Broadway glitz and glamour 408 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:23,910 show it still ends up being that same 409 00:17:27,710 --> 00:17:26,250 award show the same tradition I think 410 00:17:31,820 --> 00:17:27,720 you need to take that up as well as 411 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:31,830 taking up the award all the head of time 412 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:34,050 and all the PR is saying we know it's 413 00:17:39,260 --> 00:17:35,970 just the white man's awards show of 414 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:39,270 course the 8,000 voters are as of 415 00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:41,130 looking at numbers there's 77 percent 416 00:17:48,250 --> 00:17:46,320 white old men are the voters and when 417 00:17:49,820 --> 00:17:48,260 when I saw the show come on and suddenly 418 00:17:51,620 --> 00:17:49,830 the presenter 419 00:17:54,169 --> 00:17:51,630 and the big musical numbers are 420 00:17:55,519 --> 00:17:54,179 african-american singers dancers not 421 00:17:58,460 --> 00:17:55,529 that okay they're trying to cover their 422 00:17:59,930 --> 00:17:58,470 ass because it really is still the old 423 00:18:03,169 --> 00:17:59,940 guys putting this show together and 424 00:18:04,850 --> 00:18:03,179 they're just suddenly you know they can 425 00:18:06,350 --> 00:18:04,860 play an okay they're there no black 426 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:06,360 directors up there there no women 427 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:08,640 there's no this is that but it is the 428 00:18:13,580 --> 00:18:12,330 same old same old Hollywood academy 429 00:18:14,269 --> 00:18:13,590 awards show and I think that has to 430 00:18:18,980 --> 00:18:14,279 change 431 00:18:20,330 --> 00:18:18,990 foreign film of course was going to win 432 00:18:22,159 --> 00:18:20,340 foreign film the only other thing that 433 00:18:25,220 --> 00:18:22,169 could have won wouldn't been be but the 434 00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:25,230 omelet coming over film pain and glory 435 00:18:30,740 --> 00:18:28,289 because this is life story and there it 436 00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:30,750 is on screen but parasite was going to 437 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:33,539 win from square one I am I am absolutely 438 00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:35,130 surprised as it got this picture of 439 00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:36,720 course director no problem because they 440 00:18:42,889 --> 00:18:38,220 gave it to the Mexican director last 441 00:18:44,450 --> 00:18:42,899 year well let's just finish on parasite 442 00:18:46,970 --> 00:18:44,460 before go on those other subjects 443 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:46,980 because I wanted to give you my thought 444 00:18:52,580 --> 00:18:49,529 as to what I thought perhaps the message 445 00:18:53,779 --> 00:18:52,590 of it if there was a message to the 446 00:18:56,419 --> 00:18:53,789 movie and I think you make a very good 447 00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,429 point of being too focused on the 448 00:19:03,320 --> 00:18:58,320 technical in these movies and not 449 00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:03,330 focused on the story and okay what yeah 450 00:19:09,950 --> 00:19:05,760 yeah I'm terrified stories simple is the 451 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:09,960 class distinction and but we all know 452 00:19:13,970 --> 00:19:11,850 there's a class distinction so what was 453 00:19:17,649 --> 00:19:13,980 the message or point that they were 454 00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:20,509 basically I mean revolution are taking 455 00:19:28,039 --> 00:19:25,980 over and it's simple I think you you you 456 00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:28,049 think it was kind of a microcosm of a 457 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:31,950 revolution this fan was what was 458 00:19:38,690 --> 00:19:34,320 basically casting out the rich like 459 00:19:40,879 --> 00:19:38,700 economy a communist revolution yeah 460 00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:40,889 cleverly written and directed my god 461 00:19:48,919 --> 00:19:43,919 every nuance and how he slowly turns 462 00:19:52,129 --> 00:19:48,929 into this this taking over the the naive 463 00:19:54,649 --> 00:19:52,139 rich people and the upper-class and 464 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:54,659 brilliantly done brilliantly done ok so 465 00:19:58,519 --> 00:19:57,210 we do by the end and we should really 466 00:20:00,260 --> 00:19:58,529 tell people they haven't seen out all 467 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:00,270 this stuff we're talking about yeah I 468 00:20:06,370 --> 00:20:02,850 don't think we've really been away and 469 00:20:09,230 --> 00:20:06,380 per se but if if you believe this was a 470 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:09,240 a representation on a micro-level 471 00:20:17,860 --> 00:20:10,650 of essentially what would have been a 472 00:20:22,580 --> 00:20:20,180 well I say communist just because you're 473 00:20:24,590 --> 00:20:22,590 talking about poor versus rich you know 474 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:24,600 the basic hey we're all you know just 475 00:20:27,410 --> 00:20:26,130 because you have money doesn't mean you 476 00:20:28,940 --> 00:20:27,420 deserve the money you know communism is 477 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:28,950 about redistribution of wealth so if 478 00:20:34,190 --> 00:20:30,450 you're talking about a revolution that's 479 00:20:36,460 --> 00:20:34,200 based on money that's essentially you 480 00:20:38,420 --> 00:20:36,470 know with the poor overtaking the Ridge 481 00:20:40,940 --> 00:20:38,430 you know I'd call that kind of a 482 00:20:43,730 --> 00:20:40,950 communist revolution but but whatever 483 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:43,740 it's a revolution but ok so if that's 484 00:20:48,590 --> 00:20:46,050 what it was what is the movie saying 485 00:20:53,030 --> 00:20:48,600 about that is it saying is it in favor 486 00:20:56,090 --> 00:20:53,040 of that or is it opposed to that well is 487 00:20:59,000 --> 00:20:56,100 it first of all it doesn't succeed it 488 00:21:01,100 --> 00:20:59,010 takes over and destroys but then they 489 00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,110 all get destroyed as well and who really 490 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:03,600 survived that so two people I think 491 00:21:09,740 --> 00:21:07,650 mm-hmm I think back on it it wasn't a 492 00:21:12,740 --> 00:21:09,750 very happy revolution and they made 493 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:12,750 their point it took over the family in 494 00:21:18,290 --> 00:21:15,690 every single way but they all died 495 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:18,300 except two people as I recall I'd only 496 00:21:23,900 --> 00:21:21,450 seen it once yeah so my little takeaway 497 00:21:26,660 --> 00:21:23,910 by little takeaway is if you think about 498 00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:26,670 the members of the poor family versus 499 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:29,760 the members of the rich family right one 500 00:21:35,180 --> 00:21:31,170 of the members of the poor family 501 00:21:37,670 --> 00:21:35,190 exhibited horrendous behavior and 502 00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:37,680 conduct that's just not good not good 503 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:38,220 people 504 00:21:44,810 --> 00:21:41,730 each one of them exhibited some some 505 00:21:52,580 --> 00:21:44,820 very bad behavior whereas the wealthy 506 00:21:54,530 --> 00:21:52,590 family they welcomed them in there okay 507 00:21:58,430 --> 00:21:54,540 naive what you can call it naive I can 508 00:21:59,540 --> 00:21:58,440 call it generous and in nice and 509 00:22:03,320 --> 00:21:59,550 friendly yeah 510 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:03,330 so so there is no crest they thought 511 00:22:07,790 --> 00:22:05,490 they saw no threat I would not have seen 512 00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:07,800 any threat because there they appeared 513 00:22:13,580 --> 00:22:11,580 to be level-headed good people right so 514 00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:13,590 anyway my little simpleton take away 515 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:15,000 from it because I don't know what the 516 00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:16,169 message was but 517 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:17,940 what I like to take away from is that 518 00:22:25,129 --> 00:22:20,970 you know what there are good people and 519 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:25,139 bad people at all different income in 520 00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:29,129 economic long economic strata you can't 521 00:22:34,669 --> 00:22:32,609 just assume one-percenters are bad in 99 522 00:22:36,859 --> 00:22:34,679 percenters are good because here is an 523 00:22:40,220 --> 00:22:36,869 example of the one-percenters being the 524 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:40,230 good naive innocent honest generous 525 00:22:45,529 --> 00:22:44,129 people and the night and the there was 526 00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:45,539 the poor people that were the bad 527 00:22:53,779 --> 00:22:51,179 manipulative unappreciative people and 528 00:22:56,269 --> 00:22:53,789 so you can find them at any income level 529 00:22:58,879 --> 00:22:56,279 so that would turn it on his head 530 00:23:01,729 --> 00:22:58,889 perhaps from what hollywood may have 531 00:23:03,019 --> 00:23:01,739 thought that it was celebrating but 532 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:03,029 that's the message that I took away from 533 00:23:07,450 --> 00:23:05,129 it that's interesting 534 00:23:10,340 --> 00:23:07,460 you've just wrapped up this film and I 535 00:23:12,919 --> 00:23:10,350 hadn't considered that the snow piercing 536 00:23:16,340 --> 00:23:12,929 film his previous film is exactly the 537 00:23:17,989 --> 00:23:16,350 same story it's the lowered class of the 538 00:23:21,979 --> 00:23:17,999 end of the Train that's slowly working 539 00:23:25,789 --> 00:23:21,989 its way through the Train dispersing or 540 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:25,799 killing or whatever each person or her 541 00:23:31,639 --> 00:23:29,730 class level to reach first class and to 542 00:23:35,629 --> 00:23:31,649 stop it and destroy it I didn't realize 543 00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:35,639 it's the same story so that was his that 544 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:38,460 was his first job nope no snowpiercer 545 00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:41,809 eases his previous film on my previous 546 00:23:48,919 --> 00:23:44,340 nominee comes the guys actually made I 547 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:48,929 don't know interesting well yeah okay 548 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:52,049 let's just right let's go back to talk 549 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:54,210 about the Oscars but since that's just 550 00:24:00,440 --> 00:23:56,970 happened so number one it was lowest 551 00:24:02,869 --> 00:24:00,450 rated in in many years I think that yeah 552 00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:02,879 so I know this I'm glad they they move 553 00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:04,830 the date earlier because there's too 554 00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:06,419 many of these award shows you get tired 555 00:24:10,999 --> 00:24:08,190 them and who want all the others the 556 00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:11,009 same Award winners yeah so it certainly 557 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:12,600 needs a shake-up i'ma let one 558 00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:15,330 observation that I have in fact this 559 00:24:20,659 --> 00:24:17,820 will also be a question for you I mean 560 00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:20,669 when you're giving away a sound editing 561 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:23,820 award which nobody knows anything about 562 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:26,849 sound editing and and occasionally 563 00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:28,710 they'll kind of explain it to you which 564 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:29,940 you know but they'll 565 00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:32,250 do that like once every 10 years and 566 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:33,899 then you give out an award for sound 567 00:24:38,299 --> 00:24:36,330 mixing and now I'm really scratching my 568 00:24:40,669 --> 00:24:38,309 head thinking okay I barely think I know 569 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:40,679 what sound editing might be but what the 570 00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:44,730 hell is sound mixing versus out like so 571 00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,860 next year in the future why don't they 572 00:24:50,659 --> 00:24:48,960 show us what this stuff means so - 573 00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:50,669 you're showing how you edit a film and 574 00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,200 how you make the sound I mean I think 575 00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:54,240 this could be a great education as well 576 00:25:00,590 --> 00:24:59,100 as an entertainment totally Indonesia it 577 00:25:03,619 --> 00:25:00,600 needs to pick a direction it either 578 00:25:06,830 --> 00:25:03,629 needs to be the Grammys where it's all 579 00:25:08,389 --> 00:25:06,840 about performances or it needs to be if 580 00:25:10,879 --> 00:25:08,399 it wants to give out these technical 581 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:10,889 Awards then yes explain them to us 582 00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,450 because if you want to talk like that 583 00:25:16,009 --> 00:25:15,120 tell us examples you know so that's how 584 00:25:19,249 --> 00:25:16,019 it works right 585 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:19,259 I mean they barely show examples of they 586 00:25:23,659 --> 00:25:21,090 barely show the examples of the acting 587 00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:23,669 you know that's a thing that really they 588 00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:25,500 should be showing more of is okay let's 589 00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:27,779 see a solid minute-and-a-half 590 00:25:34,820 --> 00:25:30,120 of this guy's acting performance in this 591 00:25:36,139 --> 00:25:34,830 movie and ruin someone suggested some 592 00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,149 right of why don't they show a trailer 593 00:25:39,619 --> 00:25:38,159 of the actual movie because the trailers 594 00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:39,629 are about two or three minutes why not 595 00:25:43,570 --> 00:25:41,460 show a thriller of each of these ten or 596 00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,580 nine winning films 597 00:25:49,129 --> 00:25:46,559 entertain us as well as educate us you 598 00:25:50,749 --> 00:25:49,139 know yeah yeah it needs to pick a 599 00:25:53,779 --> 00:25:50,759 direction I mean one thought I had is 600 00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:53,789 move those technical Awards into a 601 00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:58,860 separate show I you really did explain 602 00:26:03,409 --> 00:26:01,080 it in that separate show and gave 603 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:03,419 examples and so on I think you'd have a 604 00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,090 nice audience I would I would love I 605 00:26:10,009 --> 00:26:07,919 would love to watch a show like that I 606 00:26:12,259 --> 00:26:10,019 like how I like all of that you know the 607 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:12,269 technical aspect of it all did you 608 00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:14,730 notice they kept announcing at every 609 00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:17,159 break and next time we'll be presenting 610 00:26:20,899 --> 00:26:19,110 the Irving Thalberg award but they never 611 00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:20,909 did they never presented Irving Thalberg 612 00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:23,580 I've sort of mystified now I don't look 613 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:24,870 that up because they'd give one every 614 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:27,330 year and they didn't this year and who 615 00:26:34,399 --> 00:26:32,850 what is that award for I a Lifetime 616 00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:34,409 Achievement kind of thing or something 617 00:26:39,169 --> 00:26:36,779 my turn remember of what was was there 618 00:26:40,940 --> 00:26:39,179 no Lifetime Achievement word I don't 619 00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:40,950 think so no there was it there was at 620 00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:43,660 the Golden Globes yeah 621 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:46,990 but not not at the Oscars and uh yeah 622 00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:48,970 musical number of things the musical 623 00:26:53,790 --> 00:26:51,460 numbers thing I don't know it just it 624 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:53,800 doesn't work it doesn't work so when 625 00:26:57,390 --> 00:26:55,450 your a friend a friend of mine Neil 626 00:27:00,290 --> 00:26:57,400 meron he got to produce to show things 627 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:00,300 four years ago he did hairspray 628 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:03,310 introduced Broadway money produced the 629 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:05,770 movie Chicago with Harvey and Miramax 630 00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:09,010 everybody and he got to do the Oscar at 631 00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,240 four years ago so he turned into a 632 00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:12,400 Broadway show but then it still ended up 633 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:16,000 the same the same old routine the same 634 00:27:20,250 --> 00:27:18,130 embers yes he added cyclists as a sort 635 00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:20,260 of the glitz and the glamour and dancing 636 00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:22,540 and singing and blah blah blah and then 637 00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:25,030 it ends up the same old thing I think 638 00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:26,260 you do need by the way I don't know how 639 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:27,520 do you feel about an emcee I think an 640 00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:30,370 emcee sort of does the flow works better 641 00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:33,400 but you know maybe yeah maybe I'm too 642 00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:35,080 old and I like Billy Crystal and all 643 00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:36,820 those characters that used to introduce 644 00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,400 these shows well I I think you and I are 645 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:41,200 onto something I I think they give us 646 00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:45,130 more of the actual guts this isn't the 647 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:49,720 Grammys yeah we all love we all love 648 00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:52,930 movies you know I guess well and this is 649 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:54,550 the Oscar this is trying to be more 650 00:27:57,870 --> 00:27:56,170 highbrow that this this is the real deal 651 00:28:00,900 --> 00:27:57,880 I mean this is the Super Bowl of award 652 00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:00,910 shows and especially as I said if you're 653 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:02,200 gonna give away those technical words 654 00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:04,330 you need to explain those better which 655 00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:06,100 by the way considering that you're a 656 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:08,980 film expert can you explain to us what 657 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:11,650 the difference between sound editing and 658 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:17,710 sound mixing is really I mean that's 659 00:28:22,170 --> 00:28:19,330 incredible I mean somebody does 660 00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:22,180 experiences really well think of that 661 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:25,840 let's go back to 1917 you clearly have 662 00:28:30,030 --> 00:28:27,730 to mix because you have so many tracks 663 00:28:31,950 --> 00:28:30,040 of explosions isn't this an that and yes 664 00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:31,960 you're gonna match and mix and maybe 665 00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:43,800 what is the editing you know you should 666 00:28:46,410 --> 00:28:45,070 have brushed up on this I put this in 667 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:46,420 the email that I was gonna ask you this 668 00:28:52,260 --> 00:28:50,650 you should have googled it well that's 669 00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:52,270 almost adjust everybody do it anybody 670 00:28:56,550 --> 00:28:54,220 wants to know the answer probably very 671 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:56,560 few but yeah just google sound reason 672 00:29:00,120 --> 00:28:57,010 sound 673 00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:00,130 and we'll figure it out what about what 674 00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:03,310 what what you know what what about what 675 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,480 about Netflix 676 00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,880 what about the world changing what about 677 00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,320 that 6:00 in the theater business what 678 00:29:13,050 --> 00:29:10,000 about what's going on what's about to 679 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:13,060 happen or is happening yeah well and I 680 00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:15,130 think it's a generational thing and that 681 00:29:20,490 --> 00:29:17,710 you know there's so much now being 682 00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:20,500 produced for television and it does seem 683 00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:25,240 to be frankly better content one thing 684 00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:27,700 that strikes me when I'm at searching 685 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:30,160 for a movie to go see and now I rely on 686 00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:31,930 Rotten Tomatoes like I think most people 687 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:33,580 probably do or a lot of people do which 688 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:36,490 gives you the average review it's 689 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:39,730 striking to me how many movies and I in 690 00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:42,370 it's crazy expensive to to make and 691 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:43,840 market a movie these days that's 692 00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:45,310 actually gonna be released in a theater 693 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:48,460 how many of them have crappy reviews 694 00:29:54,090 --> 00:29:51,760 like how could this be why are there so 695 00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:54,100 many bad movies still being made when 696 00:29:57,980 --> 00:29:55,870 you know how expensive it's going to be 697 00:30:01,410 --> 00:29:57,990 to promote it yet when you look at 698 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:01,420 television programming whether it be you 699 00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:03,850 know Amazon Prime or Netflix or HBO or 700 00:30:10,530 --> 00:30:07,840 frankly even Network series the reviews 701 00:30:12,650 --> 00:30:10,540 on those are usually very it's very rare 702 00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:12,660 to see something less than 75 percent 703 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:16,030 for a new television series whether it 704 00:30:24,090 --> 00:30:18,850 be streaming or network whereas films 705 00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:24,100 are usually below that now well I also 706 00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:26,110 do a podcast I'm doing it with it with a 707 00:30:32,850 --> 00:30:29,740 young young stand-up comedian guy and I 708 00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:32,860 asked him I said I wanted to go see how 709 00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:34,540 much I'll break that one-city when cell 710 00:30:38,730 --> 00:30:36,910 phones I'm Hollywood he said well when 711 00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,740 is it on I said the theater right now 712 00:30:43,710 --> 00:30:40,960 yeah but when can I see it I said you 713 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:43,720 can go to the theater and see it yeah I 714 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:46,450 understand but once again one can I see 715 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:48,610 it all they think about is streaming 716 00:30:52,740 --> 00:30:49,840 seeing at home at their convenience 717 00:30:53,540 --> 00:30:52,750 store and get an answer to get off the 718 00:30:56,430 --> 00:30:53,550 kids 719 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:56,440 how about economically I get it okay go 720 00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:58,330 ahead and movies an expensive situation 721 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:02,080 but the ease of seeing films today 722 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:04,690 you're streaming from your probably 20 723 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:07,930 sources out there yeah by the way not 724 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:09,810 only they're not seeing it on a big 725 00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:11,370 they're not even seeing it on a large 726 00:31:15,010 --> 00:31:13,260 television they're singing on a laptop 727 00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:15,020 or a phone 728 00:31:26,180 --> 00:31:23,580 correct correct so like yeah I was on a 729 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:26,190 like just yesterday coming back from LA 730 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:29,490 and they have taken this in American 731 00:31:32,420 --> 00:31:30,930 Airlines they've taken these screens out 732 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:32,430 of the backs of the seats that's they're 733 00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,170 doing at most of the domestic flights 734 00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,000 but I loved watching movies in those 735 00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:39,120 screens and that's why the Genesis well 736 00:31:42,170 --> 00:31:40,710 you know you just connect your phone I 737 00:31:43,670 --> 00:31:42,180 don't want to watch a movie on my 738 00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:43,680 telephone well that's the easiest way 739 00:31:47,660 --> 00:31:46,020 right now yeah into our system yeah 740 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:47,670 there's a big generational change 741 00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:49,170 happening right now which which probably 742 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:52,110 also kind of explains the Oscars in the 743 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:53,970 lower ratings and just starting to 744 00:31:58,610 --> 00:31:56,370 become antiquated because you know 745 00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,620 you're celebrating exactly very good 746 00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:01,440 good work very good work antiquated yeah 747 00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:04,620 you're celebrating its 92 years old yeah 748 00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,560 99 years old it show it shows it it's 749 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:09,840 not you know the people that still I 750 00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:11,490 think pay attention to it 751 00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,140 do it just out of tradition because you 752 00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:18,240 know you and I we grew up with movies in 753 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:21,720 the movie theater and you still don't 754 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:23,310 you know you like the tradition of the 755 00:32:27,530 --> 00:32:25,050 Oscars and that's why you know I kind of 756 00:32:30,170 --> 00:32:27,540 compare it somebody sent to boxing for 757 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:30,180 me I enjoy boxing because that's what I 758 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:31,650 grew up with that's the sport that I 759 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:34,170 know I know the history of it I know you 760 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:37,170 know Muhammad Ali and down through you 761 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:39,210 know the various champions and I'm just 762 00:32:44,390 --> 00:32:41,010 not ready to embrace an entirely new 763 00:32:48,410 --> 00:32:44,400 sport MMA even though that clearly is a 764 00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:48,420 superior sport to boxing but because 765 00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:49,740 boxing frankly is kind of boring 766 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:52,260 compared to Ultimate Fighting but I just 767 00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:53,850 can't embrace Ultimate Fighting because 768 00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:56,340 it doesn't have the tradition with me 769 00:33:02,030 --> 00:32:58,380 and I think the same thing may be true 770 00:33:04,910 --> 00:33:02,040 with with with film is that you know for 771 00:33:06,290 --> 00:33:04,920 me I like celebrating movies I can 772 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:06,300 compare them to my favorite movies when 773 00:33:09,980 --> 00:33:07,650 I was a kid and this and that but for 774 00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:09,990 kids today coming up where it's not 775 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:11,520 about the theater experience it's about 776 00:33:15,140 --> 00:33:13,650 streaming and it's about these series 777 00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:15,150 that are all like I said they're 778 00:33:21,890 --> 00:33:17,940 excellent that you know movies are kind 779 00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:21,900 of incoming I know yesterday well I'm 780 00:33:27,140 --> 00:33:23,640 older than you 781 00:33:29,510 --> 00:33:27,150 when television of course you watch 782 00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:29,520 television radio Canon radio then 783 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:31,740 television and you did not go to the 784 00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:33,690 cinemas you know the stators anymore it 785 00:33:38,540 --> 00:33:36,750 took it took a couple of years for the 786 00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:38,550 motion picture industry to really 787 00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:40,740 develop something more immersive which 788 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:43,140 was in those days Cinerama then it 789 00:33:47,510 --> 00:33:45,810 became cinema scope and 3d it got you 790 00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:47,520 back to the movie theatres I was 791 00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:49,590 interviewing a theater owner at a 792 00:33:54,740 --> 00:33:51,750 festival earlier this you're not sober 793 00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:54,750 about it last year and I said to him he 794 00:33:57,650 --> 00:33:56,700 owns three thousand beers in the world I 795 00:33:59,060 --> 00:33:57,660 said what are you gonna do in the next 796 00:34:00,200 --> 00:33:59,070 business what do you mean I said what 797 00:34:03,380 --> 00:34:00,210 are you going to do in the next two 798 00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:03,390 years I get it yeah I know we're gonna 799 00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:04,950 have to find a way to make movies more 800 00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,360 immersive we're going to think of 801 00:34:10,220 --> 00:34:08,399 something brand-new to get you back to 802 00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:10,230 the movie theatres because for two years 803 00:34:17,630 --> 00:34:14,520 I say to the streamers are gonna kill 804 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:17,640 you except for Marvel and DC Comics and 805 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:20,370 stuff like that you're dead he agrees to 806 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:23,010 a point but hey we got new seats at 807 00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:25,050 Rumble and do this and as I know you do 808 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:28,380 that's tested out the answer you need 809 00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:29,690 better product getting something 810 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:32,760 something to get us back yeah I mean why 811 00:34:38,419 --> 00:34:35,610 don't the name you know what Perry um go 812 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:38,429 ahead sorry god I was gonna say 813 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:41,570 something the parasite could 814 00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:44,130 revolutionize what comes up at the 815 00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:47,520 Oscars in the future maybe because now 816 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:49,980 the Academy members those eight thousand 817 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:53,250 guys mostly are gonna have to look at 818 00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:55,649 more international films which they 819 00:35:00,680 --> 00:34:58,890 probably haven't been because they've 820 00:35:03,950 --> 00:35:00,690 only been bombarded by the American 821 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:03,960 system of those billboards and those ads 822 00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:06,170 and this and that now not as a chance 823 00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:08,700 that more foreign films could get up 824 00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:11,340 there I guess listen that what it sort 825 00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:13,230 of says a parasite there's a chance that 826 00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:14,940 other kind of filmmakers can get up 827 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:16,740 there at the Korean film can get up 828 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:19,170 there oh yeah it's been the one year 829 00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:20,970 before it it could be it there could be 830 00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,720 a trend of cinema well is it is this 831 00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:29,520 something that is this something that 832 00:35:34,850 --> 00:35:32,670 China is going to take over like they've 833 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:34,860 taken over so many things what what is 834 00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:37,050 the state of Chinese 835 00:35:46,910 --> 00:35:42,200 making it's big but they have such a 836 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:46,920 dealt with with them and with them I 837 00:35:54,850 --> 00:35:50,490 mean it that way but they're so uptight 838 00:35:58,730 --> 00:35:54,860 about controversial subjects and and 839 00:36:00,820 --> 00:35:58,740 it's just a conservative nature and with 840 00:36:03,170 --> 00:36:00,830 sex and so many different things that 841 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:03,180 they're into action right now action 842 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:05,730 films are they're terrified of sensitive 843 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:07,770 subjects that they don't approve of me 844 00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:11,130 they control those screens the American 845 00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:12,630 films do very well actually fields to do 846 00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:14,520 very well in China and they make they 847 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:16,260 copy us beautifully and make some big 848 00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,290 action movies that are quite successful 849 00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:20,400 are they going to go into sensitive 850 00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:23,670 things like marriage story you know a 851 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:25,740 subject of that sort probably not and 852 00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:31,050 Andy was sex know right now trust China 853 00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:32,550 has his hands full with others other 854 00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:35,700 things going to the movies you wouldn't 855 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:40,020 even be doing right now with this and so 856 00:36:45,830 --> 00:36:41,930 many films people probably don't realize 857 00:36:48,140 --> 00:36:45,840 that they've been sanitized so that they 858 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:48,150 can take advantage of the Chinese market 859 00:36:52,580 --> 00:36:49,710 I mean you give us some examples if you 860 00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:52,590 know about American yeah American films 861 00:37:00,200 --> 00:36:56,040 that have been altered even the version 862 00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:00,210 that we see is altered because they want 863 00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:03,720 they need it to do well in China exactly 864 00:37:07,490 --> 00:37:05,640 you'll even a Tom Cruise film you will 865 00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:07,500 put an Asian woman in the film or 866 00:37:12,590 --> 00:37:09,300 something because you had half your your 867 00:37:15,260 --> 00:37:12,600 funding is coming for China and I think 868 00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:15,270 that was the last mission Impossibles or 869 00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,480 a few films they even still very you're 870 00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:19,920 getting a lot of money from China and 871 00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:22,500 you're inserting characters so it works 872 00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:26,700 in the bear market as well how many 873 00:37:32,060 --> 00:37:29,430 countries are is repressive would you 874 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:32,070 say as China when it comes to content 875 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:35,130 that that the people are permitted to 876 00:37:43,580 --> 00:37:40,770 see mostly Asian carp entire countries I 877 00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:43,590 would say otherwise this is free for all 878 00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:45,630 of their else you know there's the 879 00:37:50,779 --> 00:37:47,910 foreign language category here at the 880 00:37:52,579 --> 00:37:50,789 Academy of 98 881 00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:52,589 country cancer that one film and let 882 00:37:56,029 --> 00:37:54,209 thinker a ninety this year and somehow 883 00:37:58,489 --> 00:37:56,039 they whittled it down to these five I 884 00:38:00,019 --> 00:37:58,499 don't know how that process is done they 885 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:00,029 got these ninety down to these five 886 00:38:06,739 --> 00:38:04,169 films one from Poland and one from Spain 887 00:38:09,169 --> 00:38:06,749 and one from France and this one from 888 00:38:10,699 --> 00:38:09,179 South Korea yeah I don't know how that 889 00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:10,709 how that works or what committee they 890 00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:11,849 because they break in the committee's 891 00:38:18,229 --> 00:38:14,609 like the documentaries are judged by a 892 00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:18,239 section of the Academy voters I wonder 893 00:38:21,799 --> 00:38:19,529 how they do the foreign films 894 00:38:22,969 --> 00:38:21,809 I don't know that now that now that's 895 00:38:25,459 --> 00:38:22,979 going to be a big deal because of 896 00:38:26,779 --> 00:38:25,469 parasites I'm good in the future but 897 00:38:28,789 --> 00:38:26,789 someone's got to shake up the whole 898 00:38:32,209 --> 00:38:28,799 presentation of this this traditional 899 00:38:33,469 --> 00:38:32,219 old-fashioned show yeah well one more 900 00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:33,479 question about the Academy and the 901 00:38:38,419 --> 00:38:35,160 Oscars then we'll go on and talk about 902 00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:38,429 your book and in the festival's so 903 00:38:43,819 --> 00:38:41,400 you're talking about seventy seven 904 00:38:47,019 --> 00:38:43,829 percent of the Academy is white male 905 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:47,029 first of all is that we know that yeah 906 00:38:52,309 --> 00:38:50,609 so is that Philippe how do we know that 907 00:38:59,539 --> 00:38:52,319 is that a statistic that they put out 908 00:39:01,339 --> 00:38:59,549 there yep yeah so so the people lament 909 00:39:03,009 --> 00:39:01,349 the Oscars they always do this they 910 00:39:05,029 --> 00:39:03,019 complain about there not being enough 911 00:39:05,929 --> 00:39:05,039 african-americans nominated they 912 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:05,939 complained that there aren't enough 913 00:39:09,949 --> 00:39:07,890 women nominated this year it was about 914 00:39:14,179 --> 00:39:09,959 the director category that there was no 915 00:39:18,709 --> 00:39:14,189 female directors nominated so what's not 916 00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:18,719 clear exactly yeah it was a young lady 917 00:39:24,409 --> 00:39:21,839 that did little women see that's the 918 00:39:31,429 --> 00:39:24,419 best film best film but not Best 919 00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:31,439 Director all male directors which by the 920 00:39:35,569 --> 00:39:33,049 way is not unusual 921 00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:35,579 virtually every year it's all male only 922 00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:38,640 recently have female directors have 923 00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:40,140 there had there been more female 924 00:39:45,859 --> 00:39:43,169 directors is a Kathryn Bigelow I think 925 00:39:47,179 --> 00:39:45,869 is you know she actually won she's one 926 00:39:50,179 --> 00:39:47,189 of the best examples of a very 927 00:39:52,189 --> 00:39:50,189 successful female director I gotta go 928 00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:52,199 and yeah and film of Hurt Locker 929 00:39:57,620 --> 00:39:54,630 probably use that rail so anyway my 930 00:39:58,969 --> 00:39:57,630 question is what when all the female 931 00:40:01,429 --> 00:39:58,979 presenters get up there and say all 932 00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:01,439 women are superheroes and say a lot of 933 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:03,089 their politically correct stuff that 934 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:04,330 they like like to say and 935 00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,210 and lament the the lack of a female 936 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:09,520 director being nominated what exactly 937 00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:10,930 are they complaining about are they 938 00:40:16,290 --> 00:40:14,380 complaining that a female director was 939 00:40:19,110 --> 00:40:16,300 overlooked or they complained that there 940 00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:19,120 aren't enough female directors are they 941 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:20,920 wanting affirmative action when it comes 942 00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:23,890 to awards for four female directors well 943 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:25,390 I don't understand exactly what they're 944 00:40:32,090 --> 00:40:29,770 complaining about I agree I think you've 945 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:32,100 got to have some quality product and 946 00:40:35,540 --> 00:40:33,970 you've got to get it producer and 947 00:40:38,190 --> 00:40:35,550 distributor behind you that does this 948 00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:38,200 campaign to go out there and promote the 949 00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:39,880 hell out of us a much you know I've 950 00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:41,830 watched recently the seeking how many 951 00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:43,420 black directors are in black filmmakers 952 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:45,310 in how many women blah blah blah 953 00:40:50,070 --> 00:40:47,290 did you see the new Eddie Eddie Murphy 954 00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:50,080 um so much I actually thought he would 955 00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:52,870 be nominated for something for my name 956 00:40:59,310 --> 00:40:56,800 is called my name is dolomite yes yes I 957 00:41:02,840 --> 00:40:59,320 I saw the first 10 minutes and got 958 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:02,850 distracted and didn't finish it but 959 00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:05,650 agree I totally agree and I've watched 960 00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:07,720 the thing this is disappointing for I'm 961 00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:09,160 a big fan of Eddie Murphy's in the old 962 00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:11,470 days and suddenly then you come back in 963 00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:14,350 a mediocre film and I'm thinking okay 964 00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:15,070 were there any successful 965 00:41:18,930 --> 00:41:17,320 african-american films this year that 966 00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:18,940 should have been out there are there 967 00:41:21,450 --> 00:41:20,680 some women's films there are a lot of 968 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:21,460 women's don't 969 00:41:27,330 --> 00:41:23,290 are they good enough for whomever is 970 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:27,340 choosing these these taste 19 films but 971 00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:30,610 the campaign seems to be the way you're 972 00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:34,270 chosen so if I am a female director and 973 00:41:37,020 --> 00:41:35,590 I got a great movie it seems like I've 974 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:37,030 got to find someone who's got 50 million 975 00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:39,250 dollars to promote me and all these ads 976 00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:41,110 and I will be considered it looks like 977 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:42,940 that's how you're chosen 978 00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:45,130 yeah I'd be like I used to defend 979 00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:48,780 companies for as a my career as a lawyer 980 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:51,940 against racial discrimination sex 981 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:54,850 discrimination type lawsuits and I did 982 00:41:58,770 --> 00:41:55,690 it for eight years 983 00:42:01,470 --> 00:41:58,780 and my conclusion at the end of it was 984 00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:01,480 that it really is very simple for these 985 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:03,190 companies it really has nothing to do 986 00:42:08,010 --> 00:42:05,890 with race or with sex it has one thing 987 00:42:10,350 --> 00:42:08,020 in it and it's called money if you help 988 00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:10,360 a company if you help a company to make 989 00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:13,270 money they keep you if you don't help to 990 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:15,640 make money they get rid of you period 991 00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:17,290 that's all they're concerned about and 992 00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,190 so when it comes 993 00:42:23,820 --> 00:42:21,280 to female directors if there's a female 994 00:42:26,610 --> 00:42:23,830 director out there that is gonna you 995 00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,620 know direct a great movie and help a 996 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:29,200 studio or independence or finance ears 997 00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:32,610 make money they're gonna hire her and if 998 00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:35,980 she's not gonna help they're not so you 999 00:42:43,470 --> 00:42:39,910 know to lament the that there's no 1000 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:43,480 female directors that are nominated well 1001 00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:45,370 that's probably because there weren't 1002 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:48,040 enough female directors that were able 1003 00:42:53,060 --> 00:42:50,010 to demonstrate that they can 1004 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:53,070 successfully make a profitable movie I 1005 00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:56,170 think you have hit it on the head and 1006 00:43:04,340 --> 00:42:59,290 really yeah so and so nothing wrong with 1007 00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:04,350 hey let's you know in encourage our 1008 00:43:11,070 --> 00:43:06,790 girls you guys what did you charge an 1009 00:43:12,330 --> 00:43:11,080 hour back in the those days I think it 1010 00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:12,340 was I think at my billing rooms like 1011 00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:15,310 doing a bucks an hour and and now nobody 1012 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:17,470 works for 200 bucks an hour I meant I 1013 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:19,210 mention that to your listeners because 1014 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:21,130 of this marriage story movie which I was 1015 00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:23,170 fascinated with and I had Assoc fact 1016 00:43:26,850 --> 00:43:24,700 that the lawyers got six hundred and 1017 00:43:29,550 --> 00:43:26,860 eighty dollars an hour I think Laura 1018 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:29,560 Dern and her and her fancy won the 1019 00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:30,970 Oscars as a lawyer 1020 00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:33,990 I thought god it's a lot of money yeah 1021 00:43:39,810 --> 00:43:37,720 so alright give it give us you ran the 1022 00:43:43,050 --> 00:43:39,820 Chicago start founded and ran the 1023 00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:43,060 Chicago Film Festival for decades and 1024 00:43:49,350 --> 00:43:46,870 also and also am I saying it right to 1025 00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:49,360 say that you basically advised a number 1026 00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:51,900 of other festivals including can 1027 00:43:58,650 --> 00:43:56,560 absolute Venice Berlin I didn't do can I 1028 00:44:01,860 --> 00:43:58,660 was on juries in camp but I never advise 1029 00:44:03,690 --> 00:44:01,870 him on films yeah I founded this Chicago 1030 00:44:07,530 --> 00:44:03,700 International Film Festival twenty-two 1031 00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:07,540 years old and a long time ago and I 1032 00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:10,500 bring this a thing up because it was 1033 00:44:16,860 --> 00:44:15,550 1967 festival where we introduced whole 1034 00:44:19,230 --> 00:44:16,870 idea of the festival is to find new 1035 00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:19,240 directors we introduced a new director a 1036 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:22,060 young man named Martin Scorsese and he 1037 00:44:25,710 --> 00:44:23,530 will say yeah I got my start in Chicago 1038 00:44:26,910 --> 00:44:25,720 yep I couldn't afford to go to it they 1039 00:44:29,340 --> 00:44:26,920 couldn't afford to fly me there but 1040 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:29,350 that's how my first film was and Harvey 1041 00:44:33,390 --> 00:44:31,810 Keitel and that's where my career began 1042 00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:33,400 thank you again to Michael cuts uh you 1043 00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:35,260 should check out his podcast it's called 1044 00:44:39,690 --> 00:44:37,870 nose to nose that's Michael Cooter's 1045 00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:39,700 podcast nose to nose thank you to our 1046 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:41,230 producer Michael Parker we'll be back 1047 00:44:48,570 --> 00:44:43,090 next week with another episode of the 1048 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:48,580 hint Russia thank you for listening at 1049 00:44:53,780 --> 00:44:51,130 the 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